tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.comments2014-08-19T01:43:29.183-04:00NoBA Articlesbobby gilstraphttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09729558075870244139noreply@blogger.comBlogger138125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-70517156721036796142014-08-19T01:43:29.183-04:002014-08-19T01:43:29.183-04:00Excellent article about church. These days churche...Excellent article about church. These days churches have been facing many types of issues. Ranging from financial to supplies problems. We must do something in terms of donating for this holy cause. In order to better the condition of churches we can help them by some money. Church Supply Storehttp://www.aquinasandmore.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-54316155923613303722012-03-21T06:41:58.327-04:002012-03-21T06:41:58.327-04:00With audio conferencing, a meeting can be set up i...With audio conferencing, a meeting can be set up in only a few minutes. In the real world, planning can sometimes take months!audio conferencinghttp://www.valueconference123.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-3992711927028823562011-11-15T00:35:52.396-05:002011-11-15T00:35:52.396-05:00You'll want to contact the link to the associa...You'll want to contact the link to the association to get an update.bobby gilstraphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09729558075870244139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-64341006358061333102011-11-15T00:33:35.554-05:002011-11-15T00:33:35.554-05:00What is currently going on on with this program? I...What is currently going on on with this program? I think it is a great idea and would be very interested in knowing it's current performance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-34649357592128743412010-10-17T12:11:03.979-04:002010-10-17T12:11:03.979-04:00PowerfulPowerfulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-45463378342766745422010-06-11T13:00:02.506-04:002010-06-11T13:00:02.506-04:00Why do "We need a name that no longer reflect...Why do "We need a name that no longer reflects a regional conference of churches"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-39415979025192853422010-05-27T21:37:48.313-04:002010-05-27T21:37:48.313-04:00Brother Nash,
I think you need to research the fo...Brother Nash,<br /><br />I think you need to research the founders of our denomination. You also need to check on the folks that are on the Mission Field. A very large percentage are Calvanists. <br /><br />Our Great God surely knows who is going to be saved. He also knows who is going to be sent.<br /><br />The only devisiveness comes from the ones who do not understnad this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-53157444053735463512010-05-27T16:18:53.546-04:002010-05-27T16:18:53.546-04:00Anyone interested in an exegetically sound process...Anyone interested in an exegetically sound process that brings more light than heat to such a dialog may contact me at info@igniteus.net or call 803 776 5282.<br /><br />I will send you a copy of an breif article I wrtoe that addresses such immature and tragic ad hominem attacks.<br /><br />THANKS Joel for your face on post.<br /><br />In Grace,<br />Tom FillingerProphet Among Themhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15327230204932589689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-13179781852489818752010-05-19T17:46:12.629-04:002010-05-19T17:46:12.629-04:00A couple examples are Kansas/Nebraska where some S...A couple examples are Kansas/Nebraska where some State Convention staff are dually employed as DOM's or Associational Strategic staff; I've heard a couple of other states are either considering or have already made their Associations somewhat larger and each DOM is a direct employee of the State Convention.<br />Penn/S.Jersey where it's my understanding that they have "one resource network" for SBC churches instead of an Associational as well as State level of staffing/organization.Rodney Hammernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-89894147286789838112010-05-19T14:42:35.853-04:002010-05-19T14:42:35.853-04:00"There are already a few piloted attempts in ..."There are already a few piloted attempts in the spirit of this proposal in Southern Baptist life. We could study and perhaps utilize or adapt these restructuring efforts, remembering that one uniform size or approach may not fit all contexts."<br /><br />What are the attempts you are referring to?<br />Stephen ParksUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11966170820140436707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-58661016345872540032010-05-05T18:44:41.452-04:002010-05-05T18:44:41.452-04:00Mike,
Thanks for taking time to communicate with t...Mike,<br />Thanks for taking time to communicate with the rest of us. I do not support the GCRTF recommedations as they are however that does not mean I believe that we don't need to be willing to make strategic and positive changes to our missional structure. However, it needs to be the right change at the right time. Any change at any time has the allure of looking like we are doing something but may prove to be catastrophic. We can't afford to be wrong on this because years of structural chaos would mean souls unreached, churches not started and accelerated disintegration our SBC partnerships.<br /><br />I know that all of us want the very best for our convention even if we have different viewpoints. God bless you and your work in SC.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03565145722102481699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-37462418495534094052010-05-05T18:30:41.729-04:002010-05-05T18:30:41.729-04:00Thanks John for the thoughts. While we would coul...Thanks John for the thoughts. While we would could do a great deal of research on many factors my data was pretty plain. The current model works and would work at even higher levels IF Cooperative Program and Associational Resources were fully funded by the local SBC church, big and small alike. Our numerical stagnation is linked to our financial apathy about SBC mission work.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03565145722102481699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-41531248703451735772010-05-05T11:53:41.501-04:002010-05-05T11:53:41.501-04:00If everyone increased their CP giving to 10%, we w...If everyone increased their CP giving to 10%, we would not have these issues.Writerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07212653606124739664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-9426679266834759892010-05-04T16:25:02.144-04:002010-05-04T16:25:02.144-04:00I'm not a 5-pointer, Joel, but I stand shoulde...I'm not a 5-pointer, Joel, but I stand shoulder-to-shoulder with you, my brother!<br /><br />John Brittain<br />Right next door, in ArundelJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06370979711970154421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-319297581109046312010-05-04T15:11:48.670-04:002010-05-04T15:11:48.670-04:00Hey Mike,
Great illustration of the effectiveness...Hey Mike,<br /><br />Great illustration of the effectiveness of church multiplication in CA. I think things are similar here in MD. I will work on my calculations.<br /><br />Though it may not make a lot of difference, do remember to calculate the loss of existing SBC churches in CA (those not planted between 2000 and 2008). There are probably a number of existing churches that have closed their doors. I think Olson factored his numbers with this in mind.<br /><br />You sure made me think with your article, Mike. Thank you for offering it to us all. I hope the eyes of the NAMB trustees see it when they make their decisions about funding both church planting and their missionaries.<br /><br />Blessings,<br />JohnJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06370979711970154421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-34626431139043165312010-05-03T16:14:01.404-04:002010-05-03T16:14:01.404-04:00I appreciate your openess concerning these issues....I appreciate your openess concerning these issues. I coudn't agree more.Joshua G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10388463917795581068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-46865173028707243952010-04-30T15:51:04.748-04:002010-04-30T15:51:04.748-04:00So Bro. Nash is arguing that if a pastor is missio...So Bro. Nash is arguing that if a pastor is missional and winning souls to Christ and his church is growing, that we should kick him out of the SBC because he's a Calvinist?<br /><br />That kind of divisive and illogical rhetoric is a prime reason Baptists have such a bad name.<br /><br />Bro. Nash's logic is going to push those anti--GCR Calvinists (and there are some) into the pro-GCR camp.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-37959914822205705232010-04-17T13:00:28.180-04:002010-04-17T13:00:28.180-04:00Anonymous,
I usually don't reply to people na...Anonymous,<br /><br />I usually don't reply to people named anonymous, but thought I would just this once. You fulfilled the statement that some would take exception with my analysis. Though I broadly support both the original concept of the GCR as introduced by Danny Akin, and the formation of the Task Force in Louisville, I have been no fan of the recommendations. Objections notwithstanding, you choose to not interact with the substance of the piece, which centers around the need for a movement of people pointed in the direction of Gospel renewal and evangelistic/mission fervor. <br /><br />I have not heard of people planning on busing folks in for votes only to leave shortly after, but as you noted, I may not be following the conversation in the convention.<br /><br />In my opinion, and that may not be worth much, the meetings with the Ex Directors, the calls with NOBA and the listening sessions have all been healthy. You may view that as a "scrambling" but I think that the SBC is a very complex set of relationships. The preliminary report was likely what the TF could agree on, as people representing various segments of convention life. The response moved them to invite more input, which is a good thing.<br /><br />Who knows where we will end up in this process? I am fairly sure that all of my ideas will not be represented, and likely they should not be.<br /><br />I still hope that God will stir a movement in the hearts of people independent of the work of the Task Force. Maybe it will please the Lord to use the Task Force and their recommendations.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03968448576261454112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-38881396932567867312010-04-17T11:21:36.351-04:002010-04-17T11:21:36.351-04:00Brother Jerry,
I have corresponded with you priva...Brother Jerry,<br /><br />I have corresponded with you privately regarding this article, and will await a response via email before posting any further comments in response, especially to paragraph #2. Blessings on your work in Florida!<br /><br />Joel Rainey.https://www.blogger.com/profile/13856253694243784280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-78652547614381594012010-04-16T08:37:05.482-04:002010-04-16T08:37:05.482-04:00I beg to differ with you assessent of what may tra...I beg to differ with you assessent of what may transpire at the convention in Orlando.<br /><br />I do not believe it is a done deal by any means.<br /><br />You say, "I have not met one person who has followed the GCR conversation who actually thinks the recommendations won’t pass." I wonder how much you youself have followed the conversation? As I have read the articles, with one or two exceptions, since the release of the preliminary report, the vast number of articles have been generally critical of thier report. The ones you see writing to strongest articles in support of the article are the ones that wrote the report in the first place.<br /><br />If they were so assured that it was going to pass, they would not be scrambling to meet with as many execective directors as possible as well as use any platform to try and persuade people. They would not be making many changes in the document to try and make it more plaitable for others to swallow.<br /><br />Some may be able to control the vote by indeed bussing in messingers just before the vote, to vote the way they are told, just to turn around and leave right after the vote. If that is what would be constitued as a movement, God help us all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-62332159859734216842010-04-13T23:03:58.538-04:002010-04-13T23:03:58.538-04:00Question: How will the GCR recommendations empowe...Question: How will the GCR recommendations empower and assist churches in fulfilling the Great Commission locally, nationally and internationally?<br /><br />Question: What group or groups will make the implementation decisions (the details) of the recommendations?<br /><br />Question: What are the intended ramifications of redefining the cooperative mission funding emphasis of Southern Baptists as “Great Commission Giving”?<br /><br />Larry W. Fillingim, Director of Missions<br />Noonday Baptist Association<br />Marietta, GAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-62355307031332564932010-04-13T10:42:56.439-04:002010-04-13T10:42:56.439-04:00#1. The State Conventions most affected by the GCR...#1. The State Conventions most affected by the GCRTF are those entered by the SBC after WWII. Most are just now entering their 2nd 50 year period. How are these Conventions doing compared to other Conventions after their first 50 years. My study of Missouri and Texas says we are on track with them. They became more indigenous during their 2nd 50 years. Colleges were established to train the indigenous leaders. The people on the front lines made better decisions based upon the culture, the needs of the people within those geographic areas and among their indigenous peers. Taking away the local decision making from the indigenous seems to be the opposite of what is needed.<br />#2. The historical emphasis on educating the indigenous leadership within their geographic area seems to put light on the need of our Seminaries not just to respond with distance learning but on what is being taught. Is the emphasis of our training to closely tied to the culture of the south? What re-education do our IMB Missionaries go through to become effective when they cross cultures? The USA may be the "Melting Pot" but people are not becoming homogenized white southerners. People who's homes are in the north, northeast, or west who are white and speak English are not culturally the same as those who grew up in the southeast. How are Seminaries training graduates to be strategic in reaching the multi-cultural USA?<br />#3. Other denominations who have moved to a more Central authority; United Methodist, and American Baptist, have experienced the opposite of what is hoped for in this study. They have lost membership rapidly and weakened the denomination significantly. Why would we be following Liberal Denominations by Centralizing authority? We also threaten the significant place of the Missionary DOM. This Church support generalist may be called on for any type of need by the local Churches. In Missions areas it takes a great deal of time before the ways Southern Baptist do Church becomes understood. In the Canadian structure the persons the local Church can call on are "specialist" and respond within their disciplines. Our new Missions Churches and their Pastor's may not understand their need well enough to ask for the help they need. The American Baptist did away with the Association and the DOM and distanced themselves from the local Church. Pastor have tended to not call for help because of the investment it takes to target information from an office unfamiliar with their area to fit the local need. They have found it easier to go somewhere else or "wing it". <br />#4. The lack of better financial support to plant Churches in these Missions areas where the local funding is very scarce because the other Churches are new, paying for their first buildings and single staffed. The lack of Church Planters willing to do the work required to enter an unentered county or unentered city with any idea of an effective strategy. The need for Pastor's willing to do the work required to grow a local church or to produce a "Turn Around Church" seem to be the issues requiring the most attention. I do not hear much about "doing the work of an evangelist" any more.<br />These point back more to Seminary and denominational support of the local Missions area effort. Do not adopt the current Government ideas of Centralizing control and asking us to "trust the Leaders".Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07578985114666915488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-84522866417297648552010-04-13T10:09:02.320-04:002010-04-13T10:09:02.320-04:00Are your recommendations regarding NAMB a step tow...Are your recommendations regarding NAMB a step toward combining the IMB and NAMB. (similar to the president saying that the last health care bill was a step toward a Canada type system) <br /><br />Jonathan McLain<br />PastorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-40041936255598258412010-04-13T10:06:19.684-04:002010-04-13T10:06:19.684-04:00I would like to know why NAMB is being micro-manag...I would like to know why NAMB is being micro-managed and IMB is looked upon as the fair haired child? Why not look into waste that is in IMB? Maybe they could have sent out more missionaries if they would have tightened their belts. NAMB has had drama in the past, but I don't think that taints their potential. This task force has thrown the baby out with the bath water. Let the new president lead and make these changes. Keep IMB out of North America unless they are asked. IMB has it's own problems.<br /><br />Jon McLain<br />PastorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1274975281959425605.post-9574883355959684392010-04-13T08:44:23.532-04:002010-04-13T08:44:23.532-04:00Anonoymos:
What should we adopt this at this t...Anonoymos:<br /> What should we adopt this at this time...Let it be in the hands of the people for a year...Will Direcotrs of missions be forced to ask their churches to cut CP to fund church planting and developping healthy churches...I think so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com